Netzokhul hat geschrieben: 8. Sep 2024, 16:58

@husefak
Extra 18$ ausgegeben und genauso schlau wie vorher:

Käse und Yoghurt: trotz gesättigter Fett okay und scheinen keinen merklichen negativen Einfluss zu haben wenn in normalen Mengen konsumiert.
Milch: schon besser lowfat oder fermentiert
Butter; Müll

Studien sind aber relativ kurz und Gesamtmenge von gesättigten Fetten in der Ernährung immernoch "nur" 13%.
(Unter 10% sind empfohlen.)

ABBC3_SPOILER_SHOW

So I think at its absolute height, we could say that cheese at the habitual
levels of population consumption is not really a concern at all, and may in
fact be somewhat beneficial potentially for the mechanisms we've described.
Yogurt seems to depend on the background characteristics of the cohort
studied. Milk appears to be more consistently beneficial if it's of a low-fat
version than a high-fat version, or if it is a high-fat version, if it is a fermented
form of milk rather than an unfermented form of milk. And so there are lots of
kind of nuances, caveats and "if, buts and maybes" to this consideration that
really distil these outcomes down to some specific dairy foods and certainly
don't extend to the whole categorization of it in total.
And I think what I find potentially instructive in this regard again is the
finished public intervention begun in the early seventies to reduce total
population-wide saturated fat. And what I would say is this, in the context of
a diet that would have that high, a level of saturated fat, 20% of total energy, I
think on the data that we have from that period, it would suggest that, dairy
fats in that context are probably not going to save someone just because
total saturated fat intake is so high.
And there are obviously these big contributions coming from food sources of
saturated fats that would really drive up LDL cholesterol and consequently
cardiovascular disease risks. So I think that we can, in a nuanced assessment,
make some specific exceptions, but they relate to very identifiable, specific
foods, not to food group category in the broadest sense of the term. And
certainly it doesn't appear to provide any sort of exoneration for the wider
associations between, the chain of saturated fat, LDL cholesterol and apoB
lipoproteins and cardiovascular disease risk.

husefak hat geschrieben: 8. Sep 2024, 17:48

Netzokhul hat geschrieben: 8. Sep 2024, 16:58

@husefak
Extra 18$ ausgegeben und genauso schlau wie vorher:

Käse und Yoghurt: trotz gesättigter Fett okay und scheinen keinen merklichen negativen Einfluss zu haben wenn in normalen Mengen konsumiert.
Milch: schon besser lowfat oder fermentiert
Butter; Müll

Studien sind aber relativ kurz und Gesamtmenge von gesättigten Fetten in der Ernährung immernoch "nur" 13%.
(Unter 10% sind empfohlen.)

ABBC3_SPOILER_SHOW

So I think at its absolute height, we could say that cheese at the habitual
levels of population consumption is not really a concern at all, and may in
fact be somewhat beneficial potentially for the mechanisms we've described.
Yogurt seems to depend on the background characteristics of the cohort
studied. Milk appears to be more consistently beneficial if it's of a low-fat
version than a high-fat version, or if it is a high-fat version, if it is a fermented
form of milk rather than an unfermented form of milk. And so there are lots of
kind of nuances, caveats and "if, buts and maybes" to this consideration that
really distil these outcomes down to some specific dairy foods and certainly
don't extend to the whole categorization of it in total.
And I think what I find potentially instructive in this regard again is the
finished public intervention begun in the early seventies to reduce total
population-wide saturated fat. And what I would say is this, in the context of
a diet that would have that high, a level of saturated fat, 20% of total energy, I
think on the data that we have from that period, it would suggest that, dairy
fats in that context are probably not going to save someone just because
total saturated fat intake is so high.
And there are obviously these big contributions coming from food sources of
saturated fats that would really drive up LDL cholesterol and consequently
cardiovascular disease risks. So I think that we can, in a nuanced assessment,
make some specific exceptions, but they relate to very identifiable, specific
foods, not to food group category in the broadest sense of the term. And
certainly it doesn't appear to provide any sort of exoneration for the wider
associations between, the chain of saturated fat, LDL cholesterol and apoB
lipoproteins and cardiovascular disease risk.

Hold aber danke dir.
Hatte auch nochmal geschaut. Ging dabei um Joghurt und High Protein Joghurt (mit extra Molke halt...), da sollte man Abstand von nehmen und lieber die Vollfett Varianten essen. Milch ist nach homogenisieren wohl verträglicher im Darm.

chickenbreast hat geschrieben: 11. Sep 2024, 16:53 Muss auch sagen

Whey & Milcherzeugnisse im Allgemeinen (ja, selbst die mageren fettarmen Sachen) befriedigen mich nicht selten mehr als milchfreie Mealz.

So Tartar Burger oder Bolognese mit Low-Fat Cheese halt immer noch stimulierender als Pangasius mit Reis/gekochten Kartoffeln


Die Kombi Milch & Weizen ist halt maximal dopaminfördernd. Nichts schlechtes, aber ist mir früher auch nie aufgefallen. Vertrage ich gott sei Dank.

Kebap (Joghurtsauce) - Pizza - Milchschnitten - Burger - Butter-/Käsebrezel etc. ect. - alles Sachen die (neben der makro-ratio high carb-fat) schon alleine wegen dieser Weizen-Milch Komponente nice schmecken

Leucko hat geschrieben: 11. Sep 2024, 17:35

chickenbreast hat geschrieben: 11. Sep 2024, 16:53 Muss auch sagen

Whey & Milcherzeugnisse im Allgemeinen (ja, selbst die mageren fettarmen Sachen) befriedigen mich nicht selten mehr als milchfreie Mealz.

So Tartar Burger oder Bolognese mit Low-Fat Cheese halt immer noch stimulierender als Pangasius mit Reis/gekochten Kartoffeln


Die Kombi Milch & Weizen ist halt maximal dopaminfördernd. Nichts schlechtes, aber ist mir früher auch nie aufgefallen. Vertrage ich gott sei Dank.

Kebap (Joghurtsauce) - Pizza - Milchschnitten - Burger - Butter-/Käsebrezel etc. ect. - alles Sachen die (neben der makro-ratio high carb-fat) schon alleine wegen dieser Weizen-Milch Komponente nice schmecken

Okay... Burger schmeckt dir also besser als trockener Fisch mit Reis. Ist ja irre.

summerset hat geschrieben: 11. Sep 2024, 21:26 So'n Brittafilter, oder wie?

Jo - krasse Kalkverhältnisse hier im Leitungswasser.